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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : I&amp;#039;m sure there is a way around...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 March 2010 at 1:05pm<br /><br /><P>I'm sure there is a way around it, but you'll have to figure that one&nbsp;out yourself :) I'm simply suggesting an option for constructing a working demo, not a fleshed out product. In a real-world scenario, readers would be connected over their own communications network (whatever that may look like, i.e. wired, mesh, etc.) and communicate with a central control PC. </P><DIV>For your demo, a simple setup using some cheap tags with a few cheap readers all directly connected to a control PC over RS232 serial should be sufficient to demo a workable proof-of-concept system. If you want something fancier, you need to spend the money and go buy a commercial solution, or buff up your hardware/software skillz and make it.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 March 2010 at 12:39pm<br /><br />That's great thanks,<br><br>The only disadvantage I see is that the link I was going to use, used a mesh network therefore the readers only needed to be given a 3V power... and only 1 reader needed to be connected to the pc via a serial port. <br><br>This seems to need all readers connected to a pc... which I don't think I can do since in a hospital in patient rooms and such there wont be a computer :/<br><br>Is there a way around this?<br>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : Yep, the tags are preprogrammed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 March 2010 at 12:33pm<br /><br />Yep, the tags are preprogrammed and the readers spit out tag IDs with RSSI data. Very simple. Read the <a href="http://blog.amal.net/?p=1096" target="_blank">blog post</A>... it covers how the tags and readers work. All you will need to do is set up two or three readers, connect them to COM ports on the computer or use <a href="http://www.amaz&#111;n.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;locati&#111;n=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amaz&#111;n.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb%5Fsb%5Fss%5Fi%5F0%5F11%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3Dusb%2520serial%2520adapter%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps%26sprefix%3Dusb%2520serial%2520&amp;tag=rt09-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957" target="_blank">USB COM adapters</A>, and there you go. As long as you can open COM ports and read data in C#, you should be good to go.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 March 2010 at 12:27pm<br /><br />Thanks again,<br><br>Yes, for my thesis I don't need triangulation, I just need to see in which rooms are the doctors, but I don't need the specific location so signal strength is enough.<br><br>However, I just read that the guy who build his own (2nd link as usual) had to program the rfid and he had to buy the portal software to upload the code onto the tag and readers, etc.<br><br>My question is, if the link provided above (cheap hardware), the tags and readers are already programmed?<br><br>What I want basically is to read the signal strength using C# for example, so I don't know if the above hardware is suitable for this.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 March 2010 at 12:21pm<br /><br />It should be no problem to deal with RSSI if you don't actually want to triangulate position and instead simply perform a "closest point" analysis like the guy who built his own did. All he did was place an "reader" in each room and simply compare all the RSSI signals to figure out which reader the tag was closest to and place the tag/person in that room. When they moved out of the room and into the hallway, the animation shows the person moving into the hall. There's no way for the system to figure out WHERE in the room the tag/person is, but that was not necessary for his application. Something tells me it won't be in yours either. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The availability of <a href="http://blog.amal.net/?p=1096" target="_blank">cheap hardware</A> means you can afford to place readers/receivers in every room, and for the most part, the goal is simply to know what room someone is in... so there's your solution. Simple!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 March 2010 at 12:05pm<br /><br />Thanks,<br><br>I'm looking into the second one as said before... and will probably build the hardware...<br><br>Now for the software part...<br><br>Instead of making a website using php, javascript and such, I want to do it as a .NEt application (C#).<br><br>The most difficult part seems to be the signal strength thing... which is done in python if I'm not mistaken and I never done python before... Do you think there is another way to implement the solution with another language instead of python? Or is it not that difficult to learn?<br><br>Thanks for every reply, you really helped me :)<br>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project :   Originally posted by Nameless_87Just...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 March 2010 at 7:12pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Nameless_87</strong></em><br /><br />Just wanted to ask... isn't there a way to buy the hardware ready instead of having to build it myself?</td></tr></table><br><br>You can buy the a ready-made tracking system (hardware &amp; software) through purelink.ca (the first link: <a href="http://www.purelink.ca/Product/Observer.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.purelink.ca/Product/Observer.aspx</a>).<br><br>At this point I'd say you just have to figure out if you have the money to spend on buying a ready-made system or if you have to go the cheaper route and <a href="http://www.ns-tech.co.uk/blog/2010/02/active-rfid-tracking-system/" target="_blank">follow the instructions</a> and build it yourself.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 March 2010 at 11:59am<br /><br />Just wanted to ask... isn't there a way to buy the hardware ready instead of having to build it myself? Or can I use another type of hardware (buy it ready) and apply the software on that page on it?<br><br>Also, from where can I buy those specific parts if there is no other option than to build it myself. (I mean, ebay, amazon, etc)?<br><br>Thanks<br>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project :  Originally posted by Nameless_87Regarding...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 March 2010 at 9:14am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Nameless_87</strong></em><br /><br />Regarding the hardware... I like the second link better since it seems a bit simpler and I'm on a time limit. However as you can see... do I need to build the hardware myself?</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>No problem :) It does look like you'll have to build the hardware, but the good news is the <a href="http://www.ns-tech.co.uk/blog/2010/02/active-rfid-tracking-system/#b-384-tag_hardware" target="_blank">parts list</A>, <a href="http://www.ns-tech.co.uk/blog/2010/02/active-rfid-tracking-system/#b-384-php_gui" target="_blank">software</A>, and instructions are all on that page/site. You basically just have to follow the instructions on that page and you should be set for your demo.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : I get the database thing... so...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 March 2010 at 7:54am<br /><br />I get the database thing... so I don't need to write on the tag... I just need to read the unique ID of each tag and add doctor info in the database for each unique tag.<br><br>Regarding the hardware... I like the second link better since it seems a bit simpler and I'm on a time limit. However as you can see... do I need to build the hardware myself?<br><br>Sorry if these are stupid questions. I never did projects on RFID before.<br><br>Thanks<br>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : I would suggest you simply link...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 March 2010 at 6:26am<br /><br />I would suggest you simply link doctors names to tag IDs in a database, rather than writing the data to the actual tags themselves. The only time writable tags is preferred is when access to a centralized database is not possible (when tags travel to various, disconnected hospitals for example).<br><br>As far as hardware is concerned, you already guided yourself to it! Here are the links to hardware shown in those youtube vids;<br><br><a href="http://www.purelink.ca/Product/Observer.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.purelink.ca/Product/Observer.aspx</a><br><br><a href="http://www.ns-tech.co.uk/blog/2010/02/active-rfid-tracking-system/" target="_blank">http://www.ns-tech.co.uk/blog/2010/02/active-rfid-tracking-system/</a><br> ]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : I was thinking of writing to tags......</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 March 2010 at 3:04am<br /><br />I was thinking of writing to tags... things like doctors name speciality etc, so that when the position is displayed on the gui... i can read from them and know which dot is which doctor with a mouse hover on the dot for example.<br><br>also can you direct me to the right hardware if you don't mind, cxause i dont know of any hardware that is set up to do location finding.<br><br>REgards the cost.. for the thesis i only need 2 tags and 2 readers for example... not a whole system... I just need to implement the idea... it won't matter whether its a 100 tags or just 2 since it's only a thesis implementation and not a whole hospital implementation per se.<br><br>Thanks<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 March 2010 at 10:28am<br /><br /><P>Just out of curiosity, why do you need to write to the tags? They will most likely come with a unique ID and getting active tags with read/write memory blocks will probably be more expensive.</P><DIV>If you get hardware that is already set up to do location finding, you won't need to use RSSI (signal strength) to calculate location... the hardware will do it for you, and probably do a better job too. Using RSSI alone requires a lot of finessing and is still wildly inaccurate.&nbsp;Specialized hardware can use RSSI but include things like TDOA as well, making it much more reliable and accurate. Doing that on your own is basically not possible because the timing differences are impossible to get through data output... it must be calculated in hardware.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : No I need to implement it...However...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 March 2010 at 3:45am<br /><br />No I need to implement it...<br><br>However I found simulators...&nbsp; Bea Edge server it's called however i think it's only good for passive RFIDs... I think I need to actually buy the hardware and start from there.<br><br>I need APIs to read and write to the tags... And I am thinking of using signal strength to determine the location of the tag... I read somewhere that the error margin is +/- 1m which is not that much considering hospital rooms are much larger than that.<br><br>Btw, what did you think of the youtube video in my last post? Do you think it is good enough for what I intend to do? I mean I will have an RFID reader in every room and an active RFID tag on each doctor... then the display will be updated according to where the doctor is in the room.<br><br>Thanks again mate, you've been really helpful<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 March 2010 at 4:00pm<br /><br />Heh if you only need to simulate it, then I'd get Avid or Final Cut Pro and cut yourself together a youtube clip! It would be a lot cheaper :) If you actually want to set something up, I'd look into the company that sells the gear in that first youtube video you posted. They seem to have good stuff at a reasonable price.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 March 2010 at 11:29am<br /><br />so what hardware do you think i need to buy in order to implement what i explained in my first post?<br><br>Or are there any good simulators out there? (instead of using hardware)<br><br>Also I came across this link... <br><br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0PF9KK9pJQ<br><br>It's something I am looking into... It is not ideal, however i think it is enough for my thesis.<br><br>Any ideas or comments are appreciated and will be cited in my work.<br><br>Thanks<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 March 2010 at 10:16am<br /><br />Well, RFID is a broad term... it means anything you can identify using radio waves. The WiFi system is a form of RFID because you are identifying something AND it's location. What I mean is, if you go looking for an active RFID system, that is one that is sold as a means to identify something, you will have a hard time bending it to work as a location finding system. On the other hand, if you go out looking specifically for a product that does location finding, you'll likely find an RFID system that has been enhanced to also reliably locate the RFID tag as well as identify it.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I clicked on that youtube vid link and then clicked on the URL in the video description and found the readers/access points were in the $900 range and all the different tag prices were under $100 a piece... some were very cheap. This system is within the price range of similar active RFID systems that do not have location finding abilities.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 March 2010 at 1:11am<br /><br />I still don't understand if I should use RFID or not though...<br><br>So you think the best bet would be wifi triangulation (all the doctors would have a wifi enabled cell phone) and then I can triangulate the position of the cell phone using the wireless network?<br><br>Thanks again<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Nameless_87 - 17 March 2010 at 1:46am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 March 2010 at 1:27pm<br /><br /><P>If you only have 4 weeks, you're going to need some serious engineering and/or programming skills or you're going to need to go buy a commercial system. Active is the only way to go... meaning you'll need something on each doctor with batteries. Depending on what kind of budget you have, that could be cell phones or laptops with wifi/bluetooth, or a dedicated "locator tag". There are wifi access point systems that provide wireless network access, but also triangulate the position of wifi receivers. That might be the best bet if your docs already have wifi enabled cell phones or laptops on them at all times. Otherwise look into a commercial location tracking product that uses a dedicated "locator" tag.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8682" rel="nofollow">Nameless_87</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 March 2010 at 11:46am<br /><br />Hi,<br><br>This is my first post so please bear with me :)<br><br>I am doing my thesis on Locating personnel.<br><br>The scenario I am taking is basically a hospital. I want to be able to locate the doctors and display them on a map or blueprint of a hospital floor for example. I would prefer to do it in real time, that is no need to refresh manually but the location of a doctor would be constantly moving on this map.<br><br>I was thinking of using active RFID, however after reading this thread i am not sure anymore. Can you tell me what technology or methodologies would be the best for this kind of application. I have limited time to implement it... strictly speaking 4-5 weeks time. <br><br>So to recap the point is to display many doctors on a floor plan ehich are constantly moving and the display is being updated in real time. To get the idea it is kind of like this:<br><br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwosmeV91aQ<br><br>I appreciate any help.<br><br>Thanks in advance :)<br>]]>
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   <title>RFID tracking and positi&#111;ning project : Interesting. I wonder how expensive...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 October 2008 at 3:00pm<br /><br />Interesting. I wonder how expensive that system is, and how accurate it would be indoors. Either way, I'd be interested to hear how this project turns out. Keep us posted!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4428" rel="nofollow">struka</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 September 2008 at 11:45am<br /><br />Yea, seems like active is the way to go. Reason I was thinking of passive tags was because they did not provide us with the size of the object they are tracking. At first we thought it was something small hence passive tags due to the size but it is a plus that they didnt provide us with the size and we can get bigger tags. All they said, test this system on one floor of your building and track 5 items with error of 3 sq ft (which i really think will be the hard part) <br><br>One of my teammates found a good article about a company...I went ahead and contacted them to get more information.<br><a href="http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/3610/" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://www.rfidjournal.com/<wbr>article/articleview/3610/</a><br>http://www.gentag.com/products.html<br><br>One of my engineers that i worked for as a co op suggested that maybe i could use laser guidance similar to the way AGVs (automated guided vehicles) work. We were able to track them through out the plant with their updated location, but not sure how this would work with product tracking. (might have to read more about this)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 September 2008 at 2:47pm<br /><br />I was going to write all this junk about how it might be possible to use passive tags, but I'll just say this: don't use passive tags. <br><br>Active RFID systems don't work like passive systems. Passive systems use magnetic coupling, or in the case of UHF they use field back-scatter bounce-back techniques to communicate with tags. This allows the passive tag to operate without a battery. Active tags have batteries and transmit data in a more traditional sense, similar to cell phones, FM radios, garage door openers, etc. This type of electric field transmission enables more traditional RSSI based triangulation. It might take some tricky software, but using RSSI values from multiple active RFID systems all listening to the same tags can produce a "location" value. This is how the WiFi/RFID based systems that ARE designed for location finding work... they either use a specially designed RFID antenna array hardware, or special software that does some tricky averaging and triangulation calculations, or a combination of both special hardware and software.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4428" rel="nofollow">struka</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 September 2008 at 2:01pm<br /><br /><P>After reading different sources, i have more and more questions towards using RFIDs and triangulation for tracking/positioning objects.</P><P>So lets say I want to try using RFID tags&nbsp;and RFID readers. Would i have to get passive or active tags? Can I just get a passive Gen2 tags since they are better than the previous one (at the moment i dont care about the memory&nbsp;which&nbsp;Gen2 has a lot more but i care about the sensitivity and range)? Once I get the tag, what frequency would I choose? I read that UHF would be better for my application since the higher the frequency, the shorter the wave, therefore, longer range. </P><P>But the hard part would be how do i approach the triangulation portion of this since different things can effect the signal and alter the distance? How do i go about that? (i think we can buy a software but i believe they want us to develop it so it costs less).</P><P>This is getting harder than i thought. 3 weeks left for my research and it seems i am going in circles.</P><P>Also, after reading many sources, I totally agree with you on how RFIDs arent meant to find location/position of a part/tag. But what else is out there that can do that? GPS but thats for outdoors. The ones that you have previously mentioned wouldnt seem to work as well. I think the company should just have a system that knows if the part left a certain location and who has walked with that part.</P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by struka - 18 September 2008 at 2:08pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 September 2008 at 1:58pm<br /><br />There are special wifi access points that support locating wifi clients and special rfid tags for use with that system, but active RFID tags just don't "work" with standard 802.1x wifi network access point equipment.<br><br>You need to select an active RFID system as a whole, which includes reader and tags. The tags are basically standard RF devices that transmit in pulses, and the accompanying reader simply listens for that pulse.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4428" rel="nofollow">struka</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 September 2008 at 10:53am<br /><br /><P>So what about using RFID tags with WIFI since we already have a wifi network.</P><P>Do you use active rfid tags with wifi?</P><P>Are there wifi tags or are they the same as rfid tags? (reason i ask because i have seen some wifi tags but they are inside of a plastic case and i just didnt know if it the same thing)</P><P>It just seems that using a wifi network with rfid tags would be cheaper for the company and it seems that they have a better accuarcy over rfid readers. </P><P>(sorry for asking stupid questions but still in progress of learning about this and reading books)</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4428" rel="nofollow">struka</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 September 2008 at 6:12pm<br /><br />We just have to know where the objects are stationed. <br><br>Basically...if i was looking for the misplaced part, all i would do is go to the interface and hit refresh. Once the page refreshes and i see the object, i go get it in hopes that i tracked it with a 3sq ft resolution. <br><br>But i see your point about the moving objects...since it could cause some error. For example, i refresh the page and i see where the object is located but when i go there it is not there since when i refreshed the page the employee was walking with the part.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 September 2008 at 6:00pm<br /><br />Ohhhhhh... yes! I did misunderstand. When I read <br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by struka</strong></em><br /><br />system that will track 5 objects at once&nbsp;within 3 square feet on one floor</td></tr></table><br><br>I thought you meant 5 objects inside a single 3 square foot area. Well, in that case you have a 3 foot resolution, and that might be doable using commonly available RF solutions.  I was thinking you had to pinpoint 5 objects down to within an inch or centimeter or something. I also see why putting together any other kind of system would not be possible as vision and IR and such just aren't going to be practical to cover a whole floor. <br><br>With an RFID/RSSI solution, you might be able to get around some of the interference issues by creating a software map of "trouble spots" where RSSI values skew out of proportion due to passive interference (metal posts, etc.) or active interference (a computer spewing EMI).<br><br>Will these be moving targets or static ones? I'm they will be moving since you may need to refresh the display... but will they be static during detection... like you get position, display, then a teacher comes in and moves the things around, then they leave and you get the display again? In either case, you should keep sampling position while the objects are in motion so you can determin of the RSSI values skew and the position changes to something not possible, like move 100 feet in a split second, then your software can account for that and dump the sample or keep it as part of a rolling average or something.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4428" rel="nofollow">struka</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 September 2008 at 5:48pm<br /><br />i think you are misunderstanding the part about 3 square feet. We arent finding our 5 objects in a 3 square feet area but we are trying to pin point each object within 3 sq ft of its location (as if its accuracy is within 3sq ft). This system will be for a factory/plant as well as our building, which will be only done for testing purposes.<br><br>and thanks a lot for useful information....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1" rel="nofollow">amal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 139<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 September 2008 at 12:15pm<br /><br />The first thing that comes to mind is the fact that a broadway stage is a huge area, and I don't think this system even cares about the kind of accuracy you're after (find objects within a 3ft square area). Also, this system does use RF and it does uniquely identify each user/actor, but I guess what I'm arguing is that this is an RF locating/tracking system, not an RFID system. By definition, RFID systems are designed from the ground up to do one thing; identify an object. That's it. So, I guess what I'm saying is you're barking up the wrong tree looking for an RFID system that will do location services. They exist in the RFID realm of products, but they are few and far between.<br><br>To put it another way using a dog analagy, it's like trying to find a Border Collie that can sniff out drugs at an airport, or find a blood hound that can round up sheep with the best of them. Both animals are dogs, and both might be able to technically do the job, but each dog has it's own set of strengths that suit it to the task at hand. Using an RFID system specifically for locating 5 objects within a compact 3 square foot space would be like asking a border collie to find a small stash of contraband inside a giant shipping container... or ask a blood hound to round up a all the sheep in a huge field. Both dogs might pick up the scent, but neither dog will do a very good job.<br><br>Using a customized or specifically designed RF system, with transmitters on each object and receivers that can report sensitive RSSI values MAY give you the resolution you need, but there are other factors like you say (computers, RF noise, etc.) that would cause the accuracy to go way down. Couple that with the fact that you will be placing 5 different transmitting objects very close together inside this small 3ft square area, which will cause interference all on it's own, and I'm still thinking a vision system is your best bet.<br><br>If you want to try using an active RFID system, then I would suggest your best bet would be to get one that support RSSI and gain control, then use heavily attenuated antennas on the X and Y axises so that tags are barely "readable" when they exit the location area, that may help in giving you the sensativity you need to make intelligent distance values out of the RSSI numbers. I can tell you right now, most active RFID systems using standard antennas will report an RSSI value of 255 for the first several feet because they operate on the order of tens to hundreds of feet. The resolution just isn't small enough to deal with tags all smashed within a 3ft square area.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by amal - 17 September 2008 at 12:20pm</span>]]>
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