http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; RFID Toys : General news & info : HF glass tags Sun, 19 May 2013 11:26:43 +0000 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:29:42 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.11 360 www.rfidtoys.net/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=184 http://rfidtoys.net/images/RFIDToys.jpg http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/ http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3477&title=hf-glass-tags#3477 Author: amal
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 8:29pm

Oh, PS, if you're using an EM41xx family tag, check out this new reader. It's jam packed with new features and international shipping isn't that expensive through Trossen Robotics.]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:29:42 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3477&title=hf-glass-tags#3477 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3476&title=hf-glass-tags#3476 Author: amal
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 8:28pm

Totally agree with the security risks in a personal use context. Good point about asking b-id.eu about embedding a different IC in a glass casing. If I ever get really serious about possibly implanting one or replacing my HITAG, I'll see if they're game.
]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:28:27 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3476&title=hf-glass-tags#3476 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3443&title=hf-glass-tags#3443 Author: kinobauer
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 8:12am

I gave up contacting the Intelli-Bio company, because they don't like selling their stuff to me, as I am not a laboratory and I am too «popular» what I want to do with these tags. I tried to get their tags over a cousin who was living in Ireland 2 years ago and working for a laboratory, but they didn't want to give her the samples. But if you know a tag using your wanted security features, why not contact www.b-id.eu? Maybe there is a possibility to manufacture them. If they are available in the right size, they can be technically put into the glass tubes.
But I think the LEGIC system is one of the safest at the moment, because Mifare was hacked.
But in comparison of mechanical locks, I think the «unsafest» RFID system might be more secure. If you leave your key unattended for only a minute, there is no problem to make a copy, even patented and restricted mechanical keys can be copied. There was once a lawsuit against a company who made a «key-scanner» to virtually copy any key you wanted. So if there is a very good secured door with all kinds of secure locks on a house, it is much easier to get in on an other way: Wait until a truck passes by (loud), throw a stone in the «right» window (loud), get in and nobody will notice it, especially in the daytime when everybody is at work...
That is the reality here in Germany, thieves break in houses not in the night, they do it from 9 am to 2 pm.
]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:12:17 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3443&title=hf-glass-tags#3443 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3442&title=hf-glass-tags#3442 Author: amal
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 7:26am

Hmm... from what I can tell from various vendor websites like http://www.b-id.eu and http://www.synometrix.com/RFID_glass_cylinder_tag_specification.shtml they only have tags with read/write memory but no security/encryption features. I couldn't find any information on http://www.intelli-bio.com/en/puces.php about their tags being MiFare. They don't seem to list the tag type anywhere. Have you been in contact with them to confirm they use a MiFare IC? But, with the recent MiFare hacks, that might not even suffice as a "relatively secure" tag at this point.
]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:26:42 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3442&title=hf-glass-tags#3442 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3441&title=hf-glass-tags#3441 Author: kinobauer
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 7:20am

I don't exactly know which of these ICs support challenge/response protection etc., but
I think to look into the LEGIC or Mifare specs might be helpful. LEGIC is widely used in
access technology in bigger systems. There is a unique ID that can be used as a «low level» read only method, but there are systems where the configuration is write or spread to the reading terminals over the RFID tags.
LEGIC is often used in recreational application like camping sites, and I think the the «great wolf lodge» uses it too in their wristbands.

More information about LEGIC on
http://www.legic.com/en/home.html

 
]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:20:27 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3441&title=hf-glass-tags#3441 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3440&title=hf-glass-tags#3440 Author: amal
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 6:48am

Hey Kinobauer!

How's it going? I just heard about this poll where 1 in 4 Germans wouldn't mind having an implant if they could get some tangible use from it. You wouldn't have anything to do with that would you? :)

But back to the topic... has anyone seen a 13.56MHz glass tag with an IC that supports encryption or challenge/response protection, and/or password protected memory space?
]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:48:02 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3440&title=hf-glass-tags#3440 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3438&title=hf-glass-tags#3438 Author: kinobauer
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 3:25am

There is a company in Germany now selling HF glass tags:

http://www.b-id.eu/

the complete product rage of glass tags is available at:

http://www.b-id.eu/doc/tags/GLASS_Transponder.pdf

The LEGIC tags at least work with the «cestronics OMEGA LEGIC»
system, but I haven't tried the «sausage test» that means
putting a tag inside a sausage to test the read range when
«implanted».
 
]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:25:15 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3438&title=hf-glass-tags#3438 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3437&title=hf-glass-tags#3437 Author: oneitis
Subject: 184
Posted: 10 March 2010 at 1:08am

do you know more about the hf glass tags? do someone have one?]]> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:08:27 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=3437&title=hf-glass-tags#3437 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=926&title=hf-glass-tags#926 Author: taggy2
Subject: 184
Posted: 14 February 2007 at 1:56pm

@kinobauer
I've also tried to contact them, but I never got any reply. Do you know where to buy these? Do you have their direct email address?]]> Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:56:42 +0000 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=926&title=hf-glass-tags#926 http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=184&PID=850&title=hf-glass-tags#850 Author: kinobauer
Subject: 184
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 12:34pm

Hi,

on tagged.kaos.gen.nz tey were talking about http://www.intelli-bio.com/en/puces.php
a Philips Mifare glass tag. I just emailed this company to get somesamples and more information. 1mm x 7mm with a 1,2 mm syringe is reallyworth to play around and test. There are some access controls that workwith Mifare, so I have to test.
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