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    Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:17pm
I just found a company that creates 13.56MHz high frequency glass tags. Amazing!

http://www.synometrix.com/RFID_glass_cylinder_tag_specificat ion.shtml




Edited by amal - 10 January 2007 at 10:17pm
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Hi,

on tagged.kaos.gen.nz tey were talking about http://www.intelli-bio.com/en/puces.php
a Philips Mifare glass tag. I just emailed this company to get some samples and more information. 1mm x 7mm with a 1,2 mm syringe is really worth to play around and test. There are some access controls that work with Mifare, so I have to test.
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@kinobauer
I've also tried to contact them, but I never got any reply. Do you know where to buy these? Do you have their direct email address?
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do you know more about the hf glass tags? do someone have one?
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There is a company in Germany now selling HF glass tags:

http://www.b-id.eu/

the complete product rage of glass tags is available at:

http://www.b-id.eu/doc/tags/GLASS_Transponder.pdf

The LEGIC tags at least work with the «cestronics OMEGA LEGIC»
system, but I haven't tried the «sausage test» that means
putting a tag inside a sausage to test the read range when
«implanted».
 
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Hey Kinobauer!

How's it going? I just heard about this poll where 1 in 4 Germans wouldn't mind having an implant if they could get some tangible use from it. You wouldn't have anything to do with that would you? :)

But back to the topic... has anyone seen a 13.56MHz glass tag with an IC that supports encryption or challenge/response protection, and/or password protected memory space?
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I don't exactly know which of these ICs support challenge/response protection etc., but
I think to look into the LEGIC or Mifare specs might be helpful. LEGIC is widely used in
access technology in bigger systems. There is a unique ID that can be used as a «low level» read only method, but there are systems where the configuration is write or spread to the reading terminals over the RFID tags.
LEGIC is often used in recreational application like camping sites, and I think the the «great wolf lodge» uses it too in their wristbands.

More information about LEGIC on
http://www.legic.com/en/home.html

 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2010 at 7:26am
Hmm... from what I can tell from various vendor websites like http://www.b-id.eu and http://www.synometrix.com/RFID_glass_cylinder_tag_specification.shtml they only have tags with read/write memory but no security/encryption features. I couldn't find any information on http://www.intelli-bio.com/en/puces.php about their tags being MiFare. They don't seem to list the tag type anywhere. Have you been in contact with them to confirm they use a MiFare IC? But, with the recent MiFare hacks, that might not even suffice as a "relatively secure" tag at this point.
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I gave up contacting the Intelli-Bio company, because they don't like selling their stuff to me, as I am not a laboratory and I am too «popular» what I want to do with these tags. I tried to get their tags over a cousin who was living in Ireland 2 years ago and working for a laboratory, but they didn't want to give her the samples. But if you know a tag using your wanted security features, why not contact www.b-id.eu? Maybe there is a possibility to manufacture them. If they are available in the right size, they can be technically put into the glass tubes.
But I think the LEGIC system is one of the safest at the moment, because Mifare was hacked.
But in comparison of mechanical locks, I think the «unsafest» RFID system might be more secure. If you leave your key unattended for only a minute, there is no problem to make a copy, even patented and restricted mechanical keys can be copied. There was once a lawsuit against a company who made a «key-scanner» to virtually copy any key you wanted. So if there is a very good secured door with all kinds of secure locks on a house, it is much easier to get in on an other way: Wait until a truck passes by (loud), throw a stone in the «right» window (loud), get in and nobody will notice it, especially in the daytime when everybody is at work...
That is the reality here in Germany, thieves break in houses not in the night, they do it from 9 am to 2 pm.
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Totally agree with the security risks in a personal use context. Good point about asking b-id.eu about embedding a different IC in a glass casing. If I ever get really serious about possibly implanting one or replacing my HITAG, I'll see if they're game.
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